Popping in.
1. JERM (Jerermy) is the CEO an one of the four owners of DD. The guy is the bomb on all things water-cooling.
2. You can totally make your rig pimp with what you ordered. I would paint the worm drives and bake them a tad to harden the paint. Make the look sweet. Make sure you sleeve all the unsleeved wires and go with a definite color scheme. make the shortest runs on your plumbing as possible but avoid kinks all all costs. CPU should always get coolest water (so rad to cpu or rad to pump to cpu). Leak test BEFORE powering on the mobo for 24 hrs (jumper pins 3 and 4 on the psu). it will take a day or so to bleed out all the air from your loop. Expect to have to keep filling it. Also be sure to tilt your rig around to help get air out of the radiator.Lastly, take LOTS of pix and post a detailed worklog!
Good luck and ask if you need anything. I just got back from PDXLAN 13 (Danger Den was there of course as well) so I should be around.
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Some basic w/c questions
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took a while to get all that alcohol out of my system  bud it was GREAT meeting you! You must come out to PDXLAN bud!
Conumdrum, just looked thru that thread you linked to. That looked like real fun, it says somewhere that they He cooled the vid cards too !! Looked thru Fr3ak's thread too. Looked like a real cool night (no pun intended, I swear). Those temps are amazing, the chip still functioning. Wow.
Yup you're right about the tubing, That's what I meant to say. Was getting too excited at getting ready to order. Hey DarthBeavis, thanks for your input too. The worm drives, I am gonna paint. Just not sure about the oven bit. Altho I may be able to sneak them in when someone is out... The colour scheme, this I will admit is not my strong point. Leastways not imagining it, I have order extra fluid so I'll play around with it. The leak test, this has gotta be the most frustrating part of it. 24 hours and no pc,  I may end up having to go outside !!
Take lots of pics, sheesh I have an old mobile with a crappy 1.3meg camera, there may be a 2meg cast off camera lying about. I'll go looking for that. So the pics may be poor quality (I apologise already) but it'll hide my poor workmanship. 
As an aside, what type of TIM do you guys use? I'm guessing water cooling makes no difference to the TIM, so it's just a general question. I have used Arctic Silver 5 - very easy to use, arctic silver ceramique is on my mosfets (isn't as bad as it sounds ) I have tc0098 very difficult to get right and have ordered OCZ freeze extreme.
Just realised I have to say (deep breath, calm down) "it's all ordered" Woohoo, now I just have to wait. And again thanks so much for your input guys.
AS-5 is perfect, stick with that... just a small dot about the size of a grain of long grain rice directly in the center of the cpu, then apply the cpu block and rotate and move around in place until you feel suction, that should take about 30-45 seconds is all. Then you can put the clip on the block and move on to the next part.
Ya, AS5 is fine. I use MX-2, one of the newer ones, but your good.
Okay, here is the skinny on building a loop. Once all the stuff is there, cut a 3" piece of tubing and learn how to put it on a barb and clamp it. Better now than when it's in the PC. Exercize the clamps, open, close them a few times to make them smoother. Barbs, tighten down to finger tight and 1/4 to 1/2 turn more. Look at oring, do it a few times to get the hang of it before it's in the PC. Rad prep:: One of the most missed things. Boil sink water, let cool 5 min. Pour into rad filling it up, let sit 10 min. Drain 1/2 water or so, shake till your arms hurt, 3-4 min like a crazy man. Drain into a clear container. Do the rad dance again and again till the water from the rad is clear and no gunk once the water settles. Then do it two more times. NOW and only now is your rad 90% clean. No worries, the last 10% will come out in the next year or two when you redo your loop for maintenance. Oh and post a vid of ya dancin, be a fun thing to see. My wife asked me what the hell was I doing.......... Inspection: Open pump, look for gunk, packing material. Run sink water thru the blocks, pump, hose. Drain as well as you can, but don't freakaziod on draining. Inspect bottom of block, don't forget to remove the plastic cover!! Seen it done by pros, funny...... Inspect screws and holes, check they go together well first. Seen more than one bad HS screw broke in a bracket. Your rad screws might not work perfect, and DON"T put a screw through the rad, seen it done more than once. Wash hands very well to remove any finger oils, in time it will stain your copper blocks. I wipe with alcohol before handling the stuff. Keep alcohol away from acrylic, it will crack it in time. Install blocks on parts. Take it slow, even remove to check TIM contact if you want. Install hose, measure twice, cut once, make a bit longer if your worried, you can always cut it shorter. Dry mount everything, and inspect all clamps etc. Take a walk, watch a movie. Then inspect it again. Unplug PSU from everything except pump. Turn PSU and wall power off. Jumper the 24 pin PSU connector green and ANY black wire. Insure PSU is off. Connect pump to PSU. Add liquid to res till full. Turn PSU on, it should run dry in a second or two, turn PSU off. It's called bumping the pump. DO NOT LET PUMP RUN DRY, ceramic bearings needs water to stay cool. Fill res, do it again, and again till water is in the loop. Watch closely, a big bubble can hit the pump and no water. Then bumping the pump, tapping hoses, turning case etc till your sure you got solid water flow. Keep an eye on it for 15 min or so, then check every 15 or so to make sure the res has water to almost full and pump is running. Pump might make a whooshing noise as bubbles get pulled through it, no worries. Put paper towels around EVERY fitting, laying below the CPU block, below the pump etc, check in an hour. If you get water/liquid all over the place, the parts need to be taken out (meaning Mobo, GPU etc), rinsed in alcohol, lightly scrubbed with a toothbrush, compressed air AND if possible blow dryed very very well on LOW heat, then left to dry for at least 24 hours. Pay close attention to the PCI slots if they get full of liquid. Compressed air helps a lot to blow them out. By now it's late in the day, very late. Go to sleep with it running, check in the morning. Time to bump the pump, twist and turn, pinch a tube, tap rad SIDE with a screwdriver handle to break bubbles loose. Inspect the paper towels, turn it back on, run for an hour, inspect with a bright flashlight and bits of paper towels on every connection (barb and oring). No leaks? Turn er' off. Connect Mobo and boot er up, go to bios immediately and check CPU temp. If good, boot up and check with your fav proggy, then load er' up and revel in the coolness of water and the quiet. It could take a few days for the last of the bubbles to go away. Depending on your flow rate etc. Bumping the pump, tapping rad/hoses, pinching hose for a sec or two helps. Don't fret unless your temps are bad. Just hacked this out, it's for you, but for a first time WC'er, better safe than sorry. I don't get this anal anymore, but my first time, I started Friday night, and finished Sunday. I was this careful and it's been great WC since. I'll keep this and be copy'n pasting in a week somewhere to keep someone else from makin a boo boo, it happens.
Conumdrum... Great advise! Would you mind if I quoted you on that from time to time?
Tainted... I need to add a couple of things to what he said... Expect this to take about a week. Have another computer setup that you can access the internet and do whatever you need to do. That way you won't be pressured into finishing this computer. The reason I say a week, is because this is your first. After this one, and in the future you can get to where it can be done in a day or two. Be extra patient and pay attention to every single detail no matter how minute. Learn how the tubes bend and how far they bend before binding. Learn how the pump works, the reservoir, the rads... be a scientist on this your first liquid system. That knowledge will help you in the future.
"for me", sheesh thank you. I'll be printing this out to have with me while I dance.
 This guide is truly excellent. Don't know what more I can say but thanks.
As for access to another pc, I'm hoping to have an "open top" pc next to me on the desk while I cut up the case and run cables around it. Might try Conumdrum's idea of a bread board. Wife won't let me near her laptop, long story but in my defence I was only tidying it up, making it more logical. I'm now at the stage where between reading up on all this, I'm just sitting drinking coffee and twiddling my thumbs waiting for stuff to arrive. Think I'm checking my emails almost 20 times an hour to see if there's been an update in the deliveries. 
Sure, it's to help, thats all. If you post in entirerty on other sites, add a thanks to my sorry ass, (Conumdrum), and original link to DD, they are one of the main best WC folks. Use as you wish, and I posted this on OC forums for possible add to stickies to the mods. Stuff like this is missing and I hate typing it again and again. Buying stuff is one thing. Putting it all together is like buttering bread for some and for others it's like the butter was -400F. If it helps, it helps.
Here's the link to the tread I posted. Let me know if you want any changes. I did fix some of your spelling. http://forums.extremeoverclocking.com/showthread.php?t=312743
Some good advise that I wish I had done when I built this rig... No matter the quality of the camera. Get some good lighting, and take pics from when you first open the boxes to the final zip-tie. Get the entire process on camera. That way not only can we see how you do it, but also this is your first liquid cooled system. When it comes time to build the next one you will go back and examine every pic to see how you built this one. Then, when you build that next system you will be able to pick the best parts of building this system and be able to not repeat the bad parts.
The next one...
Yeah I'm up for that!! Anyone got any greenbacks they don't need!! - I did try asking for a slice of the bailout cash...but got turned down!! 
Hi all,
Well I'm getting frustrated, still waiting for most of my gear to arrive. The GFX Ram/Mosfets D-Tek GFX UNI-Sink (8800GTX), Clamps Screw type/ wormies, the MasterKleer tubing 7/16ID and Primochill Anti Kink coils have arrived. The GFX Block D-Tek FuZion GFX 2 Block also has arrived along with the most expensive Lion Bar ever. "grrrr" Barbs on their way. Still waiting on the rad, pumps, cpu block, fans, rad box, fan controller and coolant. The hold up appears to be the rads. I knew they were out of stock when I ordered but they were due at the retailer last Thurs and didn't turn up. So I spent the weekend with little to do. Have played with the case, turned the psu upside as you do. Cut holes in the mobo tray so I can access the back of the cpu area without taking the mobo out. Also cut holes for the north and southbridges while I had the case apart and had nothing else to do. Also started spraying the worm grips. @Conumdrum, you mentioned using a small piece of tubing to learn how to put the tubing on. My god, how tight is that. Wow! Anyway thaks guys for all your help so far, haven't posted in a while cause my pc has been in pieces in the garage, kitchen front room etc.
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